President Donald Trump is claiming his White House lawyer, Don McGahn, was representing his interests and following his orders when he voluntarily testified before the special counsel in multiple sessions.
In doing so, Trump also bragged about what he said was the transparency his administration has reportedly shown in dealing with the Russian Federation investigation (despite reports that Trump's team has been stalling and adding conditions for an actual interview). "And he actually never did it because he couldn't bring himself to write down the lies when he knew ... about the fact that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and that the obstruction of justice was happening".
"No", Giuliani replied, "it isn't truth".
The New York Times said in its report that it was rare for a lawyer to be so open with investigators, but he may have been motivated out of fear of prosecution over White House decisions that might have been construed as obstructing justice.
Then there's the Trump Tower meeting during the campaign. "I allowed [McGahn] and all others to testify ― I didn't have to".
A source close to the probe told Reuters they did not believe Mr McGahn had provided any incriminating information.
Mr McGahn's attorney William Burck added in a statement: "President Trump, through counsel, declined to assert any privilege over Mr McGahn's testimony, so Mr McGahn answered the special counsel team's questions fulsomely and honestly, as any person interviewed by federal investigators must".
On Sunday, the New York Times also reported that charges are likely by the end of this month against Michael Cohen, Trump's former lawyer and fixer who is being investigated regarding alleged fraud and his role in payments to women who claim to have had affairs with Trump.
US President Donald Trump went on the offensive on Sunday, invoking the spectres of Richard Nixon and Joseph McCarthy, starkly polarising figures from American history, in a frenzied attack on The New York Times.
Trump confirmed that he gave McGahn and other White House staffers permission to fully cooperate with the investigation, which he has regularly dismissed as unsubstantiated and unfair.
"Once the facts are known - if they're ever known - people are going to see if it's Watergate one way or another, be it Watergate with the president violating all sorts of laws or Watergate with the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI tampering with the role of investigations", Berkovitz said.
Trump tweeted, referencing the indiscriminate and damaging allegations made by Sen.
"So the president is largely in the dark about what the White House counsel is telling the special counsel?"
"I will tell him what the truth is", Wine-Banks offered.
But as many quickly pointed out, Trump has been far from transparent in office.